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Warning Anyone With Miltek 4-2-1 Manifold 56k warning.

#1 User is offline   Big Boy Al 

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:06 PM

while at Pumabuild having my new gearbox ftted a couple of weeks back alan noticed that my steering rack was being badly melted by th 4-2-1 manifold.

when the miltek is fitted the exhaust heat shield is removed as the miltek has no fixing points for it so it is discarded they only leave two small pieces on top.

ive heard people say that its fine, but from the pics you can see its obviously not.

ive sorted it now but hopefully someone else can sort theirs before their car catches on fire.

i have smelt burning/melting ever since i got the car a year ago and always just didnt worry about it but im glad i caught it as i dont think it was far off catching fire all the carpet type material was starting to burn too.


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brought some heat shield stuff with an adhesive backing and wrapped it around the area:




this was the stuff:



you can buy it here - was about £17 with delivery it's protective upto 2000 degrees, this hopefully has saved my car. dry.gif dry.gif dry.gif dry.gif gutted the bloke before didnt have a piper fitted then id still have a heat shield.


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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:10 PM

I'll take a butchers but i'm sure i double checked this as another mate had a similar problem and i have alot of clearance.

Its been on my puma 6 months at least too.
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:12 PM

how could you have anymore clearance than mine??

its the same engine..

mines got about 2-3 inches space but just shows how hot it gets

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:16 PM

Thats what i was taliing about your's looks alot closer from thiose pics though.

Dunno. go away. shut up!
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:18 PM

ive been getting burning smells of late, im going to have a gander tomorrow, on a side note.....new back bumper please, gotta love the pipercross dry.gif
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:20 PM

lol how can it be james you strange boy, perhaps someone moved my seats forward and the engine back laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE (amino @ Feb 24 2007, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ive been getting burning smells of late, im going to have a gander tomorrow, on a side note.....new back bumper please, gotta love the pipercross dry.gif



lol that piper used to burn my back bumper too mate they sit very close to the bumper..

you could stick a bit of this rap just up inside you wouldnt see it if you kept it half an inch back.

your piper manifold(my old one) has the heat shield fitted.

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:22 PM

I dunno Alana!!!

Just looks further away and no burning etc etc
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:24 PM

perhaps the frp manifold is a bit different ??

think they are all the same though, you have made me wonder now
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:28 PM

Maybe the FRP gets hotter?

Scary stuff anyway, something I'll be doing as soon as I get an FRP. wink.gif
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:32 PM

Al thanks for the warning as just weighing up options for 347 as will be fitting a new manifold and system as both have gone. Made me think about the Miltek one now....... think Pumaspeed fit Miltek wonder if they have any comments to make ???
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:39 PM

mine was fitted at pumaspeed by the previous owner.

its just the piper has fixing bolts welded onto the manifold lower down but the miltek doesnt meaning the heat shield has nothing to fix too. so its left off.

id go for a piper mate if i was you.

ive got a spare piper one now that i purchased for cheap and it just feels better quality.

QUOTE (Edgey @ Feb 24 2007, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe the FRP gets hotter?

Scary stuff anyway, something I'll be doing as soon as I get an FRP. wink.gif



maybe??

maybe it doesnt like revving to over 7k revs so it decided to burn itself laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:44 PM

I was thinking Piper. Don't like leaving heat shields off they are there for a reason after all. Had rated Miltek before as friends with non-Pumas rated them. So anyone recommend who can supply and fit a Piper manifold and complete system, I assume including the Sports Cat ?

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:45 PM

Would using exhaust wrap be a better solution? Bit dearer I know but as I'll be using the car alot I'd rather be safe than sorry!
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE (maineman1963 @ Feb 24 2007, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was thinking Piper. Don't like leaving heat shields off they are there for a reason after all. Had rated Miltek before as friends with non-Pumas rated them. So anyone recommend who can supply and fit a Piper manifold and complete system, I assume including the Sports Cat ?

Cheers David



Pumabuild are suppliers of piper and they will fit for you.


not saying the miltek is rubbish cause its not its just i dont see how thy forgot to make simple things to make sure the heat shield fits back on.

QUOTE (Edgey @ Feb 24 2007, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would using exhaust wrap be a better solution? Bit dearer I know but as I'll be using the car alot I'd rather be safe than sorry!



exhaust wrap is cool stuff meant to be better for the engine for some reason as well and performance but cant remember why??
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:52 PM

Exhaust wrap should contain the heat in the manifold; hotter gas flows better. It also keeps the engine bay cooler.

How much effect it has i wouldn't know, and wether you'd benefit from it with a non-turbo car, again, no idea tongue.gif
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:55 PM

If it stops things melting AND has an effect on performance then brilliant, I just don't like the idea of being the owner of a burnt out FRP huh.gif
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Posted 24 February 2007 - 11:03 PM

How about fitting the Janspeed item ? .....

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 11:26 PM

give me £400 then and i may do, oh yeah and £460 for the centre section and i will rolleyes.gif
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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:00 AM

mm not cheap is it... wacko.gif
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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:02 AM

and the good thing is its only gonna get dearer lol laugh.gif

told a lie a have an original centre section in the garage which looks like new, a piper 4-2-1 manifold and 1 miltek back box and one powerflow backbox with frp tailpipe

oh yeah and a spare frp tailpipe to weld onto the miltek at some point ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

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