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#1 User is offline   Dave2302 

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:56 PM

Well heres some pics of my 1.7 Lux I just bought



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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:16 PM

And it's gonna be fitted with a 24V Cosworth V6 Turbocharged, wide arch kit, bucket seats, harnesses full cage etc etc,

will be posting more pix as I get going with it, I expect I'll be stripping all the bits out of the Cosworth Scorpio next week.

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This is the wheels it'll be getting, I've got 2 full sets, so one lot will have the road tyres and another set will have the chunky M+S tyres

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:09 AM

You thinking single turbo or a new inlet manifold so a turbo per bank??

You running it on aftermarket management??

I might be interested in the scorpio wiring loom if its a top spec (or near) car as it has multiplexing in the central locking system which saves a lot of weight in the wiring loom.
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 08:19 AM

Sounds like a cool project. Look forward to seeing the pictures! Are you doing the work yourself?


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Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:02 AM

Dave glad you got sorted with a doner car!!!

This is going to be an interesting project!!! :D

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 11:19 AM

Warren,

Yes it is a top of the range Ultima Estate, but there is a fella in South Lanarkshire is having the complete shell just minus engine and associated bitz. However this guy has broke loads of Scorpio's and will have what you require, can put you in touch with him if you want.

It's gonna be a single turbo (7 - 10 psi boost) should give me about 350hp but tons of torque lol. Will be running megasquirt management.

Chris,

Yes, apart from the final paint, I will be doing all the work myself. I've just finished building my new workshop up here, fully equipped including a 4 tonne 2 post lift.
I have built loads of ground upwards cars in the past, including a 24V 4x4 Cosworth Sapphire, a 3.9 V8 TR7, 6.2 litre Chevy V8 Diesel powered Range Rover Vogue and a spaceframe Fiat 500 with 6.6 litre Smallblock Chevy V8 + NOS lol.

Bouncy,

Thanks, yeah I knew the right car would come along sooner or later, just wasn't prepared to pay silly money, for something I'm gonna take most of the bits off lol. The one I got is mint just got a dead engine, 1999 aircon and heated front screen. I paid £350 for it Glasgow area.

I will be posting the build up in this thread, seem to be having trouble posting pics atm, but will get that sorted lol.

Right now guys, bit of advice / input needed here....

I don't know whether to build it RWD or 4x4 lol.... I know 2WD would be great fun lol, but bearing in mind I want it to be competitive in Rally / Hillclimb / Autotest etc experience tells me 4x4 is the way to go.

What do you guys think.... all input welcome (sort of constructive) lol

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 11:42 AM

It would be a pretty easy decision for me, I would think hmm well disadvantages - Increased fuel consumption, slightly heavier, higher maintenance costs, but geez louise its would be 4 wheel drive! Lol, go for it bud. Look forward to the process on this



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Posted 16 April 2010 - 12:08 PM

View PostDave2302, on 16 April 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:


I have built loads of ground upwards cars in the past, including...[]... 6.2 litre Chevy V8 Diesel powered Range Rover Vogue and a spaceframe Fiat 500 with 6.6 litre Smallblock Chevy V8 + NOS lol.



What?

Who cares about the puma lets see some pics of those beasts!! :woot2:



In all seriousness good luck with this project mate, should be interesting to watch :)
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:00 PM

youl want mid mount an engine like that otherwise will just handle terribly lol

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:01 PM

Bear in mind this car will never be eligible to rally due to the engine conversion :(, in sprinting / hill-climbing it will have to enter the sports Libre class where more or less anything on 4 wheels goes but you will need a National A license. You will have to use another car to upgrade from B to A first though.

Looks like a fun project though :)
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 03:09 PM

View PostTurby, on 16 April 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Bear in mind this car will never be eligible to rally due to the engine conversion, in sprinting / hill-climbing it will have to enter the sports Libre class where more or less anything on 4 wheels goes but you will need a National A license. You will have to use another car to upgrade from B to A first though.


Why ??

Are you sure this applies in Scotland, no one in our Motor Club has said this and they all know what I am building, just said it will be in a class running with Mitsi Evos and Scoobys !! Which won't be a problem as it'll have a much better power to weight ratio:)
I'll only be doing Club level events not Nationals, does that make a difference ?

Grayfox,

Yeah, I agree 4x4 it is then.

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Scuba Steve,

Doubt that, its shorter and almost same weight as a YB Cossie

Cheers Guys,

Dave

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:25 PM

The Blue Book is online now.
Me I would do RWD :) only cause it sounds fun for the rallying bit
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 10:48 PM

RWD on rallying may be fun but it wont be as quick on loose surfaces as a well set up 4wd car.

RWD would be a laugh though.
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Posted 17 April 2010 - 08:09 AM

Will be a bit of a beast once its done... how will it look on the exterior? leaving it not far off standard of rally decal and bonnet pins? etc etc...



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Posted 17 April 2010 - 09:31 AM

4x4 It is, may have adjustable torque split F+R.

The exterior is to be F2 Widearch Kit and 12 Spoke 16" Ford Alloys as pic

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Mainly cos I've got 10 of them in VGC so can run Tarmac Tyres and M+S Chunkys depending on the surface I'm driving.

Paint Scheme, jurys out at the moment, poss like the Ford Motorsport Livery but in different base colours,
or maybe white with my own logo and local sponsors logos................dunno yet.........

Cheers for the input guys,

More pix soon lol

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 04:49 PM

Sounds like the car will be amazing. Good luck with it.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:45 PM

sounds like an interesting build!! look forward to seeing pics!
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 12:33 AM

just remember if you increase the torque much above 350lb/ft then an MT75 gearbox will eat 3rd gear real easy! For big power youll need a decent uprated gearkit which aint cheap.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:23 AM

View Postwarrenpenalver, on 20 April 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

just remember if you increase the torque much above 350lb/ft then an MT75 gearbox will eat 3rd gear real easy! For big power youll need a decent uprated gearkit which aint cheap.


Hi Warren,

Appreciate that bit of advice lol, but I'm a transmission rebuilder lol. Spent 25 years running my gearbox firm down south before selling up and moving to Scotland to be semi retired. We used to build boxes for guys running silly hp, NOS, big turbos, supercharged V8s etc.

I have built many a MT75, and wasn't planning on using a stock one lololol, I blew up a few of them when I built the 24V 4x4 Saffire Cossie, and that was normaly aspirated lol. Curiously though it was usually either 2nd gear or the first motion / laygear which is because the std bearings aren't really up to high torque and allow the gears to "spread" under heavy load.

The "MT 75" that is going in this car will be stock casings (with bigger bearings machined in) and the rest will be "modified" guts. The centre diff will be like a Skyline one so I have adjustable F+R torque split etc etc. May depending on space availale, even use a modded Skyline box, not sure yet, depends if I can fit the drivers seat in with the size of the Skyline transfer box, thats the only downside to using one lol, the T/fer case is a lot bigger.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 01:09 PM

View PostDave2302, on 16 April 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

Why ??

Are you sure this applies in Scotland, no one in our Motor Club has said this and they all know what I am building, just said it will be in a class running with Mitsi Evos and Scoobys !! Which won't be a problem as it'll have a much better power to weight ratio:)
I'll only be doing Club level events not Nationals, does that make a difference ?

Grayfox,

Yeah, I agree 4x4 it is then.

PatT,

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Scuba Steve,

Doubt that, its shorter and almost same weight as a YB Cossie

Cheers Guys,

Dave


Have a read of the current section on MSA Blue Book 2010 Rally Regs. Section 46 onwards applies to new cars. Cat 1 must retain original drive train configuration, Category 2, which I think is where your car might try to fit in - you cannot change the construction in front of the front bulkhead. You must also use genuine homologated body panels, not copies.

FIA Appendix J Drawings 279-1 & 279-2

IMHO It might be worth a phone call to the MSA technical dept before going to far and find out what they will (not) permit.

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