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#1 User is offline   volcomstone411 

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 06:45 PM

anyone actually done this at all?

im looking into it. eaton e45 aka cooper-s charger rolleyes.gif
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 07:55 PM

wahay!! sounds good - read practical performance car mag - there good at this sort of stuff

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 07:56 PM

I'd like to supercharge my Kat, but with the mileage i do - just over 32k in 6 years - its looking unviable
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (volcomstone411 @ Jan 16 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
anyone actually done this at all?

im looking into it. eaton e45 aka cooper-s charger rolleyes.gif


The new BMW Mini no longer uses a supercharger for the Cooper S but a turbo... I wonder why ... it would make a nice project smile.gif

No one has done this before, so expect to have to do the R&D yourself or pay someone else to do it - and I suspect the car wouldn't be drivable for a few months whilst you sort it all out smile.gif

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 09:43 PM

Were they the ones that kept catching fire Turby?? LOL
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 09:45 PM

No idea - but BMW wouldn't bin all the R&D on the supercharger setup unless they had good reason...
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:26 PM

eaton are really reliable. thats odd. They make truck superchargers usually
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:33 PM

the power is different for a turbo - driveability wise & people go for them more - i heard bmw binned the supercharger mainly due to marketing!!!!! can get more from a a turbo & generally more accepted by tuning companies etc

as for bolting a supercharger on youl need to lower the compression if your going for decent power - skim pistons or have a spacer made where head gasket goes. need an intercooler to cool the compressed air & do some plumbing

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:05 AM

i know of a chap who is supercharging a 1600:
http://www.chevettes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11377
for pictures.

as i recall he is using the charger to improve power across the range not at peak, read his concept, reasons and plans on the forum, i'll miss something out. he's and engine designer so has some idea of what he's on about.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE (jacko @ Jan 16 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the power is different for a turbo - driveability wise & people go for them more - i heard bmw binned the supercharger mainly due to marketing!!!!! can get more from a a turbo & generally more accepted by tuning companies etc

as for bolting a supercharger on youl need to lower the compression if your going for decent power - skim pistons or have a spacer made where head gasket goes. need an intercooler to cool the compressed air & do some plumbing



high gasket like a wrc gasket do it?
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:18 PM

it would lower compression if its thicker but as for the maths etc this is something i havnt tried, interested in doing myself to a mondeo v6 - kits can be bought direct from the states.

ppc - practical performance car mag is great for this stuff - last week of month at whsmith - ul have to be quick though - they go really fast!! theyv just put a turbo on a bmw for pennies, running low boost - good all over power range & didnt even need to lower compression. could email them - they know their stuff (one of them has a 27 litre v12 merlin tank engine in a rover - road legal!!!)

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE (jacko @ Jan 17 2007, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ppc - practical performance car mag - they know their stuff (one of them has a 27 litre v12 merlin tank engine in a rover - road legal!!!)


Ye gods how old of them, i remember a Cortina with a Merlin V12 fitted, when i was young enough to read custom car, hot rod magazines etc.
It was called "The Beast" and eventually caught fire and was destroyed, lots of lawsuits as well, because it was fitted with a Rolls-Royce grille too.
It was shipped abroad to evade the law and Rolls impounding it, it did return to this country, noticed by the headline on a car mag "The Beast returns", and a story about a Ferarri owner being blown away (overtaken at near top speed) on the M1, by an unknown vehicle - with a Rolls-Royce grille - which was towing a caravan. crazy.gif
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:49 AM

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif towing a caravan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! classic. heard the one about the police on a calm a1 at silly oclock in morning - 2 loud noises went flying past, gave chase & turned out to be 2 raf fighters in their cars, no lights on but wearing night vision goggles!!!!!!!!!!

think the ppc lot are from cars & car conversions mag if anyone used to be into that

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 07:07 PM

Hi all am new to this forum and am concidering this modification and know the bloke you mentioned doing a conversion in his chevette/kadett.
I spoke to my dad and he expressed concern to the pistons possibly melting etc if over 200bp? Any ideas?

Cheers Adam

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 07:16 PM

welcome biggrin.gif
there is a Puma on here running well over 200BHP much closer to 300, but does not use a supercharger.
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 10:21 PM

This car was not a "Cortina". It was custom designed (with RR front grill) and built by an engineer that specialised in automatic transmission.
The car was rebuilt after the fire and now lives somewhere in Spain. EVO did an article last year about this car.
Unfortunately, it was not fitted with supercharges.

There is an old Chevy drag car in Australia fitted with a twin supercharged Merlin engine that develops 3,000 HP blink.gif Not sure if it would fit into a Puma though.

Seriously, forget about supercharging, or turbo charging your Puma, unless you have more money than sense. Buy something powerful to start with.

QUOTE (pumapilot @ Jan 17 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ye gods how old of them, i remember a Cortina with a Merlin V12 fitted, when i was young enough to read custom car, hot rod magazines etc.
It was called "The Beast" and eventually caught fire and was destroyed, lots of lawsuits as well, because it was fitted with a Rolls-Royce grille too.
It was shipped abroad to evade the law and Rolls impounding it, it did return to this country, noticed by the headline on a car mag "The Beast returns", and a story about a Ferarri owner being blown away (overtaken at near top speed) on the M1, by an unknown vehicle - with a Rolls-Royce grille - which was towing a caravan. crazy.gif

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE (puma931 @ Feb 18 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This car was not a "Cortina". It was custom designed (with RR front grill) and built by an engineer that specialised in automatic transmission.


John Dodd I believe...

I've read that a supercharger does take quite a bit of power from the engine (?!) so are best suited to larger capacity blocks which is why they are commonly fitted to drag race and hot rod cars running large V8s where they run more efficiently.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE (superchargedpuma @ Feb 17 2007, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi all am new to this forum and am concidering this modification and know the bloke you mentioned doing a conversion in his chevette/kadett.
I spoke to my dad and he expressed concern to the pistons possibly melting etc if over 200bp? Any ideas?

Cheers Adam


Adam if you know him then he's the best person to talk to, he does know the engines well, you may have to use e-mail or register with the chevette forum to post there.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:00 AM

Superchargers are becoming more common on smaller engines. Like the new VW scirroro thing, the iroc. Instead of it being a 2.0 litre or something like your usual golf GTI, its a 1.4 supercharged. I think a couple of the small fiats do it too, and the Cooper S is another good example. Still dont think you would have much luck with the 1.7, the VCT and the fact its a unique engine mean its too ackward a job.
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Posted 19 February 2007 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE (Count_Dragula @ Feb 19 2007, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Superchargers are becoming more common on smaller engines. Like the new VW scirroro thing, the iroc. Instead of it being a 2.0 litre or something like your usual golf GTI, its a 1.4 supercharged. I think a couple of the small fiats do it too, and the Cooper S is another good example. Still dont think you would have much luck with the 1.7, the VCT and the fact its a unique engine mean its too ackward a job.


There was much talk/rumour of a supercharged FRP by Staurt Griffiths a few years ago...but nothing ever came of it.
Apparently there wasn't enough underbonnet space ja_stupid.gif

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