[warriorwithin]

Just curious... why people selling their Ford Racing Puma?

Here from Italy some people would spend £10000 for one without questions and I see from UK people have difficoulty to sell one for 6000.

Such a unique car like that...

This post has been edited by warriorwithin: 23 September 2011 - 02:56 PM

[Dogsbody]

They are pretty impracticable, the rear seats are just about useless. You need to be a midget contortionist to use them.
The suspension is VERY crashy on normal roads, I think I read it has 25mm or travel
I only get 180 - 200 miles to tank, but it gets driven enthusiastically.
Front disks are £400 + vat and around £100 for pads.
The callipers have no dust seals so need a full service yearly.
I wouldn't have one as a only car, mine gets used all year, but is the family second car.

But for a car I can drive on the road every day, but at weekends go out on the track or airfield where is much more at home and I can go see off Porsche Boxsters etc.
Its very hard to beat

[jay frp401]

very true mate, they are not a cheap car to run, or even repair.. i soon foundt that out my self.... and also parts are getting harder to find, i have saw people buying them and taking them out side uk, if i was eva to sell mine id like mine to go just so i dont see it, would cry if someone damaged it..

id never sell it as they are so rare and i love the frp, mine has the lsd and now got the 30mm spacers but to scared to put it on track now .

i do drive it like a fanny... but now and a again i will give it some

i still use mine for work, but only if its dry. i use my push bike if raining haha. petorl is a joke!!!! mine does 74miles to £20 of fuel driving it slow!!!! but still brings a smile to my face

[Dave93]

It should be if you can sell your FRP! I use mine every day and just waiting now till I can garage her and restore her like Jay has done as I would love to keep her forever, but the fact Is that these cars are a specialist car and for a regular person it's just a puma.
You could be waiting months for just one viewing, not trying to put a downer on it or anything these are fantastic cars to drive!

And yeh can be expensive.

[Balders118]

Why is the fuel economy in a FRP SO MUCH worse than a standar 1.7? It's only got an extra 25ish bhp right? And yeah it's a little heavier, but some of the reports of fuel economy are in the teens, or lower!! I struggle to get mine lower than 34mpg driving VERY hard.

Edit and the book figures for the FRP and the 1.7 are 34 and 38 respectivley, so not a massive difference like is shown on here.

This post has been edited by Balders118: 23 September 2011 - 07:17 PM

[hot wheels]

I get 250 miles out of a full tank.

[Dogsbody]

hot wheels, on 23 September 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

I get 250 miles out of a full tank.

You drive it too slowly Barry
I popped into Castle Combe this morning, and on the way home had the red shift light flicker up at 7000 RPM in the first 4 gears, not far off getting the first blue up in 5th

My worst is 8mpg on the track

[Balders118]

Dogsbody, on 23 September 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

You drive it too slowly Barry
I popped into Castle Combe this morning, and on the way home had the red shift light flicker up at 7000 RPM in the first 4 gears, not far off getting the first blue up in 5th

My worst is 8mpg on the track

Is yours modified in any way? And do you know how you get such low MPG? I think If I drove my 1.7 on the limiter in first gear for the entire tank I'd get better than 8mpg! When I've gone for drives in the dales, 150 miles of driving as hard as I can on public roads, hitting limiters and generally not dropping much below 4.5/5 rpm trying to keep up with much faster cars. The other half a tank will beused for normal style driving, but I'm not the lightest footted person. Last time I did this I got 38mpg out of the tank! around 320miles before I filled up!!

[eldoodarino]

driving down to duxford and back i got 300 out my last tank.... 200 is rediculous... must be some serious fueling issues.. lol

even if i'm driving it with no regard for economy i can manage 260 and that was with a dodgy hego..lol

[Dogsbody]

It always passes it's MOT on emissions, and has had a hego change a couple of years ago.
Fuel economy has never altered.
Duxford was my best fuel economy run, only because I convoyed up with Dan and Leighton.

265 miles to a tank.

My Worst was Keevil trackday in July.

I did slightly better in August at Keevil with 88 to a tank.

Think its just the way it gets driven

[melinamotor]

I sold mine because I was running an ST200 aswell, with two children the FRP was far from practical and to be fair spent most of its time in my garage keeping nice and dry

Bear in mind also it was a very good example with the factory LSD and only 54k miles and I sold it for a very good price, I probably spent over 3k on it in the year and a half I owned it on parts etc.
The fuel economy wasnt much different from the standard pumas I have owned and still do, averaged between 200 and 300 to a tank. I will never say never about owning another but my family comes first, also I have started to recreate the feel of the FRP in my standard cat with identical seats etc.

[warriorwithin]

I think my fuel consumes are about 8 km/l, I suggest to save money using this

http://cgi.ebay.it/w...em=170633841254

in summary it prevent that fat combustion(oxygen poor) leaves some unburned wasted fuel



converting in rich mixing air and petrol homogeneously like that:




I read some posts in our "elaborare forum" that people who tested told it works in terms of fuel consumption.

With 0,5 lt you can treat 1000 lt of petrol... I know very well how much petrol my Undead RP is burning during my trip to work and back, and I am going to test if it really will work saving 100km per full... If you wish I'll let you know about my results.

For everything else it's clear that a RP anyway need a lot of manteinance, btw they exist many parts that once replaced will not need manteinance anylonger... see calipers pistons for example...

This post has been edited by warriorwithin: 24 September 2011 - 03:47 PM

[Bentleya]

Insurance Prices .

[Dogsbody]

Bentleya, on 24 September 2011 - 05:20 PM, said:

Insurance Prices .

Depends on your "vintage" and what policy you have.
Mines restricted to 6000 miles and is on a multi car policy Protected comp.
I pay under £200

[jay frp401]

yep its a killer for me. im 30 and paying 850, on off payment. or it would of been 1100. full comp with 12 years no claims miles 3000k ayear only!! but sp30 6 points 3 years ago... also a b33 area post code...

[FlashBastd]

I think part of the problem is that some modern hot hatches are just so good, more powerful, more usable day-to-day and sexy brakes are getting more common, RS Clio, Corsa Nurburgring and possibly the new Fiesta ST all have 4 pots as standard.

I was privileged to get my first ride in an FRP around Cadwell earlier this month, while its performance on track was no worse than my Clio, it wasn't significantly better either. The experience was more intense partly due to the noise, seats, etc, but when it came to driving back I was pleased to be in something without the Pumas compromises. I have had my old Puma back for a few weeks as we needed an extra car, and the Puma does have some wonderful talents, not least its chuck-ability, wonderful steering and nice gear change, for standard Puma money it is great. Unfortunately the FRP has the same compromises as the standard car, parts availability is a concern (even if there are solutions available), and for the money more usable options are available.

As an investment / weekend car, the FRP makes great sense, but relatively few people can afford the second set of tax, insurance, maintenance, garage space, etc. and of those who can a lowly Ford may be less appealing than an Elise, Caterham, Boxster, etc. that can be bought for similar money.

[warriorwithin]

Infact the trick is to enhance your Racing Puma with a 200 bhp uprate... and then you can bet worth it...
Boxter and other blablabla cars are very common... during street life many people do not even notice no longer, all "papi sons" like have BMW, Lester, Boxter
but FRP is a very unique car and is much more noticeable, not including the fact that only in uk has been produced and a few exemplary, have a smoother looks then any other car and you know nobody will not copy your style.

I am driving ufficially a std 1.7 Puma, paying taxes and insurance just like one 1.7 but is not really the same... having some projects on it, the one who sold me it bought a real FRP at the same price probably, but in the custom work would be very different, passion last longer on custom projects... having a Std Puma is only harder to begin... and not cheap of course.
FRP is an advantage.
Instead selling why you, UK people, you live in a country where all is possible in terms of cars compared to italy where law is closed and restricted, why if you like a Boxter or a Lester or a Lotus, but like the FRP in the same time.. take a engine swap?

Is sad to hear that FRP is sold only because of "not worth it"... it hide passion away that reason...

This post has been edited by warriorwithin: 25 September 2011 - 12:27 PM

[Andy C]

warriorwithin, on 23 September 2011 - 02:56 PM, said:

Just curious... why people selling their Ford Racing Puma?

Here from Italy some people would spend £10000 for one without questions and I see from UK people have difficoulty to sell one for 6000.

Such a unique car like that...

Please point these people you know in Italy in my direction!

My car is for sale....

FORD RACING PUMA (2000)

Ford Racing Puma Manifold No. 348 80,000 miles

I am the third owner and have owned the car since April 2004. The car looks great, is a lot of fun to drive with wonderful handing characteristics which have been well documented in the motoring press and still returns an average of approximately 36mpg. Your chance to own a very special and rare car.


Service Record

Full Service History Carried out by Ford and Pumabuild
New Motorcraft Battery fitted 11/08
Large History file including bills, receipts, MOT Certificates and Tax Discs
MOT due 04/10/11
Tax due 31/07/11

Exterior/ Bodywork

Imperial Blue
Rear Quarters and Rear Bumper Resprayed by Moorland Classic Cars at 75,500 miles. Therefore there are very few stonechips. During this work WaxOil was applied to rear arch liners and cills and Clear Film applied to rear arch lips, joint where new rear quarter panel meets cill and corner of door cills.
Some stonechips on front bumper and bonnet.

Interior

Sparco Sports Seats with Blue Alcantara trim
Blue Alcantara trimmed steering wheel (Very good condition)
Original Ford Racing Puma Front Footwell Mats (Used only at shows. Standard ‘Puma’ mats used all other times)
Ford Racing Tax Disc Holder
5m roll of Blue Alcantara trim suitable for retrim included in sale.

Exhaust

FRP/ Janspeed Exhaust Mid Section Centre Pipe including OEM Cat fitted at 61,600 miles
FRP/ Janspeed Exhaust Back Box fitted at 57,000 miles
Piper 4 Branch Stainless Steel Manifold fitted at 53,400 miles

Brakes

New Alcon Front Brake Discs fitted at 76,952 miles
New Front Brake Pads fitted at 76,952 miles
Front Brake Calliper Service carried out at 74,392 miles
Front and Rear Brake Service carried out at 66,418 miles. Included fitting new calliper piston set (4 x 38mm and 4 x 41mm) and Alcon seal kit.
Rear Disc and Pads fitted at 79,000 miles
Castrol SRF Racing Brake Fluid


Wheels/ Tyres

Alloy Wheels Refurbished by Moorland Classic Cars carried out at 75,500 miles
Michelin Exalto PE2 Tyres: Fronts fitted at 73,100 miles - 6mm left
Rears fitted at 74,392 miles - 7mm left
New N/S/R Wheel Bearing fitted at 74,392 miles
Original Racing Puma Tyre Valve Sleeves & Caps
Spare Alloy and tyre included in sale

Upgrades

Helix Uprated Clutch
Powerflex Bushes fitted all round
Pumabuild Stainless Steel Lower Strut Brace
Vibra Technics Torque Link/ Engine Mount
Magnecor 8.5mm KV85 Competition Leads
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs
K&N High Flow Air Filter
New Bosch Windscreen Wipers fitted at 74,392 miles
Canon Mud Flaps
Sparco ‘Curva’ Matt Aluminium Pedals
‘Puma’ Stainless Steel Cill Plates
Clifford Alarm with Tilt/ Motion Sensors
Sony 6 Disc Changer


Supplementary

Cherished plate ‘V7FRP’ included in sale.
Original Sales Brochure ‘The Ford Racing Puma’
Original Ford Racing Puma Owner’s Guide Supplement
Original ‘Customer Information’ Hanger
Rare Puma Drivers Club Publication ‘Puma The Inside Story’

The car has been very well cared for by myself and the previous owners and is in good condition both inside and outside. The value of these cars is only going to rise.

Other spares I have collected if required can be negotiated within the sale.

No timewasters and/ or test pilots – Proof of Insurance required for test drive.

[warriorwithin]

Thx for the mod list XD I took inspiration XD

Btw if you want I can add the advert in our Italian Ford Puma forum... just how much is the price or taking offers?

[Andy C]

Yeah that would be appreciated if you could advertise it there. I've got it advertised in the uk for £6,750

Thanks