[TSR]

I finally picked up my FRP yesterday, and the brakes are still grinding at the rear (very annoying!!), but not only that, it has had its cambelt changed (and 60k service) and I want to know the symptons if it has been incorrectly timed - I am sure it is not so quick now, it no longer sounds the same "high revvy noise" and i think the power is a bit lumpier and down on a few hp's... does this sound right? They promised me they would make sure it was done right as I couldn't afford taking it to Birmingham as it was "off the road" when they started working on it for me...

Apparently they borrowed a tool from the local Ford dealership, to which I was surprised that a local dealership there would have the knowledge of FRP's as the 3 round my way know nothing about them, most of them havent even heard of a Racing Puma...

Anyway, any help would be useful, I know this is the place to probe for answers!!

To put it in perspective, I want it useable and working well for April, so no big rush - although finanaces are a problem and whilst I maintain using the best parts for the car, these people do come highly recommended as one of the top service centres in the UK, so I felt relatively comfortable leaving my pride and joy with them...

I am going to take it for another drive tonight when I get home as I have to use it to get the fluids moving in the power steering system, but I am a bit dubious of driving it until I am happy with it again. It may have been me, but I have driven it on and off over the last few months and its always felt good, but yesterday it just didnt...

Thanks!

[melinamotor]

The limiter should cut in just over 7k revs, standard set cambelt puma's hit about 6.7 ish. Probably the best indication its been done right.

[happy-kat]

if they used the wrong tool (fully suspect they used the 1.7 locking tool) you will be done approx 8bhp and it will drive like a pig...
they did not remap your ECU therefore the rev limiter will be in the same place. I would not test this as your engine is running badly on the wrong timing so I would not want to labour it.

Ring the garage and get the Ford garage they borrowed the rool from and ring them and ask them directly if they have only the 1.7 locking profile.
this will give you the answer you need

[Big Boy Al]

if the correct tool has not been used you will be well under power and have crap running.

id bet 100 quid that they didnt borrow the correct tool from another ford, probably a standard puma tool.

iv got pictures of both so tell them to show you the tool they used.

[happy-kat]

also the cam belt is every 5 years or 80k miles (1.7), which ever occurs first, so waiting to 60k means your has been changed at least 2 years late.
Hope they also changed the tensioner, stretch bolt etc. by using a kit.

[TSR]

also the cam belt is every 5 years or 80k miles (1.7), which ever occurs first, so waiting to 60k means your has been changed at least 2 years late.
Hope they also changed the tensioner, stretch bolt etc. by using a kit.

hmm... in that case then it probably didnt need to be done as it was serviced properly before I bought it, I seem to recall my service book telling me I had to change the cambelt on this service, which is why I did it... oh wel, its done now and i'll try to figure it out.

I'll ask to get the details of the garage and see what they used... why is nothing easy!!!!

But if I drive it without revving it high and just sensibly at low revs so I can get the steering fluids moving, will that still cause too much damage to occur or will it be semi-ok ??

[Big Boy Al]

wont cause any damage mate its just not right and will annoy you.

wonder how many people will doubt us when we say it needs a different tool from the standard puma??

[happy-kat]

the service book is out of date, Ford changed the interval during 2004 to the one I mentioned. Still it is done now

[CHRIS_OAKLEY2010]

the service book is out of date, Ford changed the interval during 2004 to the one I mentioned. Still it is done now

What is the Correct Timming Tool?

i did mine with a standard Puma Tools...

cant say it seems any slower. can anyone with the correct tool number and pictures post these up so i can check at work weather they can get hold of it. also what is so different about it?

[CHRIS_OAKLEY2010]

What is the Correct Timming Tool?

i did mine with a standard Puma Tools...

cant say it seems any slower. can anyone with the correct tool number and pictures post these up so i can check at work weather they can get hold of it. also what is so different about it?

TSB- 7/2000...Part number 303-692. just checked the tsb's... Damm best i get the tool and Try again,

How Different is it ?

[Big Boy Al]

the cam tools were made by a company called spx, someone ordered one a couple of years ago and took about 6 months to get hold of one.

i know of about 6 in excistence, only about 80 fords were apparently told about the tool the specialised frp ford garages at the time and as you can imagine not many bothered to buy the tool for a car they will probably ever see


standard puma cam tool,




frp cam tool






here is the tool here vas got one about 2 years ago too:

This post has been edited by Big Boy Al: 14 February 2008 - 09:43 PM

[CHRIS_OAKLEY2010]

on a standard puma the bar locks in the back of the 2 cams basically running flush with the top of the cylinder head,

does a frp bar set the inlet cam at a different angle to the exhaust cam?

really confussing as to what this special bar does ?

[Big Boy Al]

pass i just know that it a different tool lol.

[TSR]

wont cause any damage mate its just not right and will annoy you.

wonder how many people will doubt us when we say it needs a different tool from the standard puma??

think I need to investigate further, I did take it for a drive today and it just doesnt quite feel like my little 351 anymore, but maybe I need to get into it again and use it more, but thanks for all the help, I will find out because of the trip in April, I want it correct because its a lot of miles and I want it to be running right so its running right for the streets of Monaco

[happy-kat]

the FRP cams are different to the standard 1.7, hence the different locking tool profile I suspect.

[mikecat]

Whats is done in a 60k service? Ive had afew things done but dont know if it was a 60k service

Thanks for you help.

[happy-kat]

Ford ETIS online will tell you what is done both at the 6 year and 60k service (they are potentially different)
hope that helps

[mikecat]

Ford ETIS online will tell you what is done both at the 6 year and 60k service (they are potentially different)
hope that helps

ok thanks. ive just had a quick look and i think ive had mine, just wanted to double check there was nothing anything specifically for this service

thanks happy-kat

[poder]

A few questions:

1) Do the frp cams have a sleve in the end like the std 1.7 ones?
2) If so, do the lovered sections of the frp tool go into theese?
3) How thick are the lovered sections on the frp tool?

Thanks