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Lightened Flywheel .... Dont Bother...

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 06:28 PM

had a spare flywheel lying around (as u do!) so sent it off to my trusted engine builder to see about some tweeking.....

got a phone call to say its as light as it will go, safely..... sad.gif poobums!!!!!

ooh well, thought id post it as info so no-one else wastes any time .....

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE (jacko @ Feb 10 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
had a spare flywheel lying around (as u do!) so sent it off to my trusted engine builder to see about some tweeking.....

got a phone call to say its as light as it will go, safely..... sad.gif poobums!!!!!

ooh well, thought id post it as info so no-one else wastes any time .....



have it balanced to the crank
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Posted 10 February 2008 - 11:51 PM

Oooh thanks for the info Jacko, this was on the list of future mods (quite a way away but still there).

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 07:37 AM

I thought FRP FlyWheels were lightened from the standard 1.7's anyway?
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Posted 11 February 2008 - 10:23 AM

Perhaps James has hit the nail on the head. I know for the 1.6 Shawspeed offer a lightened flywheel which is done on an exchange basis and is the standard flywheel machined.

The also do a 'steel lightweight' flywheel as an option too.

It might be advantageous for the standard pumas
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Posted 16 February 2008 - 04:40 PM

mmmm, i sent off an frp flywheel, iv got a std 1.7 in the car at mo.......mmm, wonder if theres a difference?!

anyone know for sure?

i wont be bothering with a full 'puma' engine rebuild - its just not worth the effort due to the nicasil liners.... so wont have it balanced to crank & clutch cover....

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:02 PM

No point doing the flywheel and crank - you really need to spin the whole shabang up - bearings, rods, pistons etc... IF you are going to do the job right.

You can safely mill and drill something out of the Puma and the Racing Puma flywheels - they weigh the same where it matters - the outer facing near the gear ring. I'm doing one next weekend... gulp.

Steel is the way to go for this engine as it is at heart a Yam bike engine and its lumpy bottom end delivery can't get much worse can it?

Why nickle-siliconcarbide the bores? The nature of the liners will probably give you blisters in a few thousand miles even if you treated them first.
The bores are good for 150-200k on a well maintained engine and its the pistons / rings that wear out first.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 09:34 AM

iv already an engine die through bore wear, might have been a duff / badly maintained one....

i told my engine guy its for road use (he knows how i drive & want some race tweeks but it has to be used daily). steel would be great for track days & odd daily driving.

iv had full bottom end rebuilds in the past (old car) with rods, crank, etc all balanced up & it is nice if a bit expensive to find the bores are wearing & u need to find a new block!!!

the gearbox & clutch are coming off for replacements so would have been ideal for a lighter flywheel at the same time...

this engine only has to last a year or so til i get my v6 idea started (fingers crossed im moving to somewhere with a garage this summer hol....!)

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 04:54 PM

There is a guy on Turbosport forums who I bough a lightweight new steel one for £185 all in.

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 09:57 PM

i wouldnt go as far as a steel one for road use tho.....

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 10:39 PM

i cant see why nikasil liners are a problem. Ive known some engine builder pay very high priced to have their bores lined with nikasil.

And i think he paid nearly 20k for that, from memory, either that or 11k.
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:09 PM

thats exactly the point..... its ruddy expensive!

& if ur not lucky it wears off on the puma engine..... they had a problem getting it to stick (anyone remember the bmw recalls...?)

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 08:54 AM

i have a shawspeed lightened 1.7 puma flywheel. the standard 1.7 and 1.6 are the same. dont kno about the frp.

mine made a big differance, but was with cams, throttle bodies and a 8000rpm limiter. dont think it would be worth it on a standard engine tho.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 11:44 AM

The lightening is only to give better throttle response.
Plus it's only worth getting the balancing done, if you get the Flywheel, crank, con rods, Pistons etc all done at the same time. ohmy.gif

I built a pinto engine for an Escort that was lightened and balanced.
That used to scream biggrin.gif
The tick over was terrible though rolleyes.gif

Bit like my MotoX bike, that can't tick over as there is no flywheel, just a small stub with the CDi pickup and a small magnet in.
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Posted 04 February 2009 - 01:08 PM

I had a genuine Ford racing flywheel which was sold off the shelf at Ford for my racing Ka and you never had to match to anything. It made a huge difference in that wee thing. On the 7kg standard flywheel it brought it down to about 4 half kg

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (ally frp364 @ Feb 4 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had a genuine Ford racing flywheel which was sold off the shelf at Ford for my racing Ka and you never had to match to anything. It made a huge difference in that wee thing. On the 7kg standard flywheel it brought it down to about 4 half kg



For reference: A standard Zetec-s phase 2 (if it makes any difference) Weighs 7.5kg.
Puma Flywheel off a 2002 Dive ecu'd puma came in at 6.5kg. IMO it feels noticably lighter. When going down through the gears especially.
It also looked different in design. the Zetec-s Clutch would not fit the puma flywheel.(against what i have always been told)
This leads me to believe that there are some different flywheels out there as standard

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