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Frp 315 (Project)

#1 User is offline   frs3060 

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:45 PM

I am thinking about selling my Racing Puma, no. 315. I have owned the car for just under 5 years and we have had a lot of fun. I took him off the road about a year ago with the intention of sorting out the bodywork. I haven’t made any progress on this as I am just too busy so I am offering him for sale.

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History:

FRP 315 has four former keepers. The first being Ford, but not one of the many that were given to Ford Managers, this one was a pool car driven by Peter B and the team. During its time with Ford it was used in the 11-17th April 2001 Auto Express magazine - http://www.rpoc.co.u...hp?f=35&t=1775. I have spoken to Peter about this car and he confirms it was one that he drove frequently as part of the pool of FRPs available at Boreham. He has told me he has lots of information on the history along with many pictures of the car.

I purchased in 2010 with 57,000 miles but unfortunately have very little history from the previous owners other than they owned since 2006 and it had a new stainless Steel Piper manifold fitted at PumaBuild in Feb 2010 (just before I bought it). It also had an air con service in July 2009 with the mileage reading 52,682.

Since I have owned the car it has had regular servicing work and new OEM brake discs and (EBC) pads (genuine Alcon discs probably one of the last sets purchased from PB) at 59,000 miles. The car has now done 60,950. It has also had an OSF ABS sensor.

The MOT has just lapsed but it passed last year with no issues and hasn't been driven more than 20 miles since. Advisories were front brake pipes required shortly and O/S outer sill corroded. The car is currently SORNed.

Mechanicals:

The overall condition of the mechanicals is good. The engine is very strong and always starts first time. The car has been standing (garaged) for the past year and as such the discs have surface rust but they have only done 2000 miles so will clean up ok once driven. The N/S ABS sensor requires replacing and the front wheel bearing need replacing.

Interior:

The interior condition is generally excellent. Seats are very good suggesting the mileage is correct. There is a very small hole starting to appear on drivers bolster. Steering wheel is good. Back seats are excellent.

Bodywork:

Wheels are in excellent condition with no kerbing or major corrosion. There are no dings on the car whatsoever and both bumpers are damage free. The paintwork is what is currently letting the car down. I have tried to show this in the photos. There is rust in the usual places. Rear arches and outer sills will need some work. There is also a small rust spot starting to appear on N/S front wing. The paintwork generally is poor, with stone chips on the front bumper and bonnet, and an area on the roof where the previous owner got over excited with some T-cut.

Overall this is a very straight and original FRP that required some love. It would make a great project for someone with more time than I have.

I have tried to describe the car as accurately as I can, but please ask for any further information or clarification. There is no tax, mot or insurance on the car so test drives will not be possible other than up and down my driveway.

Asking price - I want £4,000 for the car. Much less and I would rather store it a for a few more years and fix it up myself. However, any serious offers from people who would get the car back on the road are welcome. I want to see the car being used and enjoyed. I am happy to discuss deals - for example anyone thinking of building a track toy - I could drop the price for the car minus interior. Having said that I do not want to break the car so please don’t ask.

More pictures available here: http://s303.photobuc...060/library/ppu

Location: Cambridgeshire,
Please PM me with questions.

This post has been edited by frs3060: 20 July 2014 - 03:18 PM


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:20 PM

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 03:07 PM

My last car was a 1.7 but I killed it so bought an imperial blue ST170 which has a sharp precise steering and great chassis like the Puma but much more grip and much better brakes as well as more speed. I can notice the extra weight though despite the more composed suspension and I would like more speed!
I was thinking of getting an FRP next or a mk1 Focus RS which I can see you also greedily have so I was just wondering how those two cars compare? Ideally I'd like the lightweight FRP for all its advantages but with the power of the RS so that's my dilemma, do I just make do with the 150bhp FRP or have the heavier car with the extra power? The solution seems to be replace the FRP engine with something like an EP3 tyre R engine but I don't have the expertise or time to do it myself and it would be too much hassle and expense to pay a garage for the performance improvement :(
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 06:33 PM

You ought to take a drive in my Nitrous FRP ..it's a real hoot and great fun! :bleh:
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 06:57 PM

View PostpumaSV650S, on 26 July 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:


I was thinking of getting an FRP next or a mk1 Focus RS which I can see you also greedily have so I was just wondering how those two cars compare? Ideally I'd like the lightweight FRP for all its advantages but with the power of the RS so that's my dilemma, do I just make do with the 150bhp FRP or have the heavier car with the extra power? The solution seems to be replace the FRP engine with something like an EP3 tyre R engine but I don't have the expertise or time to do it myself and it would be too much hassle and expense to pay a garage for the performance improvement Posted Image


The way I see it is you can't really compare a FRP with any other performance Ford. It's just so unique and special.
OK , so it's a bit underpowered in standard spec but that just adds to its balance and handling characteristics. But the rarity, and the fact that its sort of hand built by respected tuning specialists makes it more desirable.
You really have to drive one which is well sorted and drives the way that it should to appreciate what the Tickford engineers did.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if you think you want a FRP then buy it with your heart and not your head. Otherwise you would never get one Posted Image
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 07:32 PM

I agree with you, but I think you are using your head getting a FRP aswell as you touched on it when you were talking about how special and unique the FRP is
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Posted 26 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

nottadam said:

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The way I see it is you can't really compare a FRP with any other performance Ford. It's just so unique and special.
OK , so it's a bit underpowered in standard spec but that just adds to its balance and handling characteristics. But the rarity, and the fact that its sort of hand built by respected tuning specialists makes it more desirable.
You really have to drive one which is well sorted and drives the way that it should to appreciate what the Tickford engineers did.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if you think you want a FRP then buy it with your heart and not your head. Otherwise you would never get one Posted Image



A bit like buying a MVF4 (or 916) then rather than a GSX-R, the latter is faster, better value and competent in every way but the former is the one you really want, I think when the times comes back to back test drives will be the only way to decide.
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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:31 AM

View PostpumaSV650S, on 26 July 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

My last car was a 1.7 but I killed it so bought an imperial blue ST170 which has a sharp precise steering and great chassis like the Puma but much more grip and much better brakes as well as more speed. I can notice the extra weight though despite the more composed suspension and I would like more speed!
I was thinking of getting an FRP next or a mk1 Focus RS which I can see you also greedily have so I was just wondering how those two cars compare? Ideally I'd like the lightweight FRP for all its advantages but with the power of the RS so that's my dilemma, do I just make do with the 150bhp FRP or have the heavier car with the extra power? The solution seems to be replace the FRP engine with something like an EP3 tyre R engine but I don't have the expertise or time to do it myself and it would be too much hassle and expense to pay a garage for the performance improvement :(/>/>/>


The two cars are very different. The FRS is an excellent car. You don't really notice the weight over the FRP but you do notice the higher centre of gravity on the limit. The FRS handles impeccably but the FRP is even better in that respect. If it is speed you are looking for then the FRS is certainly the one to go for, but that is missing the point of the FRP. If you were to ask which one is more fun, I would say the FRP wins. There is something about it that just puts a smile on your face. Forget that it isn't the fastest car in the world, the fun will come when you are keeping up with a much faster car on a twisty road. In the corners it is very quick. The exhaust will never fail to put a smile on your face, and knowing that you have one of a handful on the road makes it extra special. Having said that, I wouldn't want an FRP as my only car, but that might just be my age! (I need more comfort than I did ten years ago). Personally, I would never modify an FRP. If you want a faster car, buy a faster car. You will never get you money back on a modified FRP, but keep it nice and original and it will always be worth at least what you paid for it. If you like your st170, you will love the FRS. The RS has a brutal power delivery and can be a handful on certain road surfaces. I personally love these characteristics.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:03 PM

frs3060 said:

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The two cars are very different. The FRS is an excellent car. You don't really notice the weight over the FRP but you do notice the higher centre of gravity on the limit. The FRS handles impeccably but the FRP is even better in that respect. If it is speed you are looking for then the FRS is certainly the one to go for, but that is missing the point of the FRP. If you were to ask which one is more fun, I would say the FRP wins. There is something about it that just puts a smile on your face. Forget that it isn't the fastest car in the world, the fun will come when you are keeping up with a much faster car on a twisty road. In the corners it is very quick. The exhaust will never fail to put a smile on your face, and knowing that you have one of a handful on the road makes it extra special. Having said that, I wouldn't want an FRP as my only car, but that might just be my age! (I need more comfort than I did ten years ago). Personally, I would never modify an FRP. If you want a faster car, buy a faster car. You will never get you money back on a modified FRP, but keep it nice and original and it will always be worth at least what you paid for it. If you like your st170, you will love the FRS. The RS has a brutal power delivery and can be a handful on certain road surfaces. I personally love these characteristics.



I think maybe it is the seat position of the ST that makes it feel as though I can detect the extra weight cos like I said it turns as well as a Puma and corners even faster. In the Puma I felt much lower to the ground, almost go cart like. A mates Elise 111S I drove is the only car that was more like a go cart!
Fun, steering and cornering are always my priority over outright acceleration or top speed, that's why I bought the ST over an EP3 civic type R as the ST has much more precise and communicative steering (not to mention brakes) that's why despite the 'warn hatch' connotations I went for the ST plus it looks great unlike the EP3 which still looks like a mini MPV to me! My bike does 0-60 in 3.6 and I used to have a 185bhp 220kg Suzuki bike so no car will ever compete with that acceleration anyway.
I've always thought despite all the plus points FRP values are just too high but they do hold their value so who cares if you can have a great time for a few years and then sell it without loosing too much money. Having said that, the FRS characteristics sound great though, defo up my street. Plus it is bigger for the family as it would be my only car as my missus doesn't need a car for work so I can't justify running 2 cars as well as a bike :( As a all season biker I don't think the FRP exhaust would be a bad thing, you could always use earplugs if you're not in the mood. I do enjoy un-necessary blipping of the throttle and up/down changes just to hear the exhaust note change.
I'm still no clearer to be honest, think back to back test drives will be fantastic, hopefully I can find both in a specialist garage or 2 decent private examples to try, can't wait! Still really like my ST though!
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