[PG12]

anybody confirm this?

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...the use of a Racing Puma cam tool is recommended, I believe this is SPX tool 303-692. While this was originally supplied by Ford, I believe it is also available as Laser Tool part C317, and is included in their kit 4291.

[Big Boy Al]

I emailed them about a year ago and they said it's the same but they won't sell it seperate and the kit is about £90.

Stuff knows what other car uses it too be in a set?? Bit random but apparently the right tool.

One in the middle

https://www.motorspa...o_LAS_4291.html

[eldoodarino]

Fiat Punto.. ??

[dancer]

Nah, that's when the bottle of Tippex comes out of the toolbox

[FlashBastd]

I saw that laser kit for £80 somewhere, looked good value at that. The one in the middle does look a lot like a FRP tool. I did a lot of research into this a while back and also enquired about buying that tool on it's own. Even if we were to buy 20, they still weren't interested. This was before the Chris Oakley GB.

[shinigami]

I can see the whole kit on ebay for £69.96 which is a bit cheaper. How much would you expect it to cost for the piece on its own?

[FlashBastd]

Weren't the copies around £60inc P&P?

[puddycat]

Hi All,

I am prepared to be shouted down in flames on this (?) and please feel free to offer your opinions..... constructively(!). However, through chatting to my mechanic about changing the cambelt (puddycat's is due this year) he was confident that he could do it. I then explained that he would need to lock the cams (something he retorted is done on changing every car) and that he has done this on hundreds of cars.

Now, please dont think I am "up myself" or anything like that, but I only have limited mechanical knowledge (certainly no certificates or any training) but I do really only use garages I trust which would prohibit me taking puddycat to a puma specialist (such as pumaspeed/build/R us). This is because i dont like being screwed by unscrupulous garages. Please, please, please, please do not make any inference that I am judging pumaspeed/build/ R us - I cant comment on them cos ive never used them.

However, I am just wondering whether you actually have to have the FRP Cam Locking Tool or as my very well trusted mechanic says - he has many different tools and universal fitments to sufficiantly lock the cams when changing a belt. Please feel free to offer thoughts, comments and beratements!

(Oh, and I dont think im hi-jacking this thread cos surely my queristion is relevant? But i stand to be corrected)

Also, if i appear to be guarded in this post, it is only because this site is absolutely invaluable to all puma owners and I don not wish to offend anyone.

Cheers

[FlashBastd]

You have to lock the cams on the standard 1.7, but the tool is different for the FRP as it has a touch more advance on the exhuast cam - if you set it as per standard cams then you will be noticably down on power.

I take mine to a garage owned by a relative, and had FRP cams fitted recently, the same garage changed my cambelt in Oct '08 using the standard tool and said the FRP tool is quite different, both in style and the slight advance on the exhaust cam.

[poder]

Could someone with the tool please provide some specs and pics?

From the previous post I gather that the intake camshaft end sleeve is not angled compared to the cylinder head face, only the exhaust one is?

Thanks,
Jacob

[volcomstone411]

i've never really seen the point of an frp tool tbh. Ive just marked mine up and advance the cams as they came, then check after with a rolling road that the timing is right. done about 3 now all the same way.

[poder]

volcomstone411, on 03 May 2010 - 03:52 PM, said:

Ive just marked mine up and advance the cams as they came...

Sorry, I don't understand... Did you mark the positions on the pulleys or what do you mean?

[FlashBastd]

I will take some pics of mine this evening and post them up. Mine is one of Chris Oakley's copies.

[FlashBastd]

Really sorry, didn't get around to digging it out last night, will find it this evening though without fail.

Just found this;

happy-kat, on 29 July 2009 - 06:47 PM, said:

The tool looks like this

Mine looks just like that, except that it is brass (I think) and doesn't have the markings on it.

[FlashBastd]

And I think a standard tool;

rza98765, on 19 February 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

The FRP tool has a touch of advance on the exhaust cam.

Useful info regarding cambelt change in general here;

http://www.pumapeopl...ki&fromsearch=1

[poder]

Thanks

I would really like to see it from the other side to get an idea of the angle(s) on the pieces fitting into the sleeves on the camshafts.
I have changed the cambelt before using home made tools, I just need the specs for frp cams (i.e. the exact exhaust cam advance angle) to make a new tool.

I made this quick drawing of how I imagine it could look?

[FlashBastd]

I promise I will dig it out this evening and get a pic.

[poder]

Thank you, I appreciate that!

[FlashBastd]

[poder]

Thanks again for the pictures Flash, they helped a lot.
Using the pictures to measure/calculate the exhaust camshaft angle, I get around 2.18 to 2.24 degrees of advance.
The aspect ratio on the pictures may be wrong though so I was wondering if I could bother you once more?
If you have a precise measuring tool like a vernier caliper, could you please supply me with the measures a,b,c & d, that I have marked in red on the image below?

It's not important how long the b part you measure is, it is important though that a and c are measured exactly where b starts/ends.

If you don't have the time (or for some other reason don't want to do this) I understand of course.



Cheers,
Jacob