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Rear Wheel Arch Repair Panels Suffering Rusty Arches? Read this first

#1 User is offline   FlashBastd 

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 09:45 PM

Some of you may have seen a link to this website;

http://puma-schmiede...f9791024aaf30e0

I have recently received a pair of repair panels, I am hoping to use one of them to repair my drivers side rear wheel arch. It has been repaired a couple of times in the past, but typically the rust keeps coming back, so hopefully this will cure it once and for all.

To give the repair a fighting chance, I won't be having the work done until probably April, but I will try to get my local bodyshop's opinion on them sooner that that.

Once these the repair has been done, and assuming it goes well, I will be arranging a group buy with puma-schmiede.de, the actual discount won't necessarily be much, but the shipping should be much more reasonable. Also, they only supply them in pairs, it may be that like me, you only need one.

I am posting this now in case anyone was proposing having an arch repaired in the near future, these may represent a better option.

If you have an urgent requirement, then please don't let me stop you from buying directly from the chap in Germany, and if you do, please post your findings! FYI my pair worked at around £95 inc. post.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 10:45 PM

I'll be curious to follow this too for Colin's (and no doubt my Thunder before too long too). Might certainly present a different option to the current Peugeot 206 front wing idea?
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 11:06 PM

Quite. When my rust came back the last time, I was so cross with the car, feeling like I had spent so much money on it, for the rust to come back again and again. This might represent some hope!
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:57 PM

I'd be very interested in this, the winter hasn't been kind :(

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Posted 29 January 2010 - 06:50 AM

Good thing that someone finally made a repair arc for the Puma.
Its a bit unfortunate that its only the outer arc though, the inner one is most likely as bad as the outer...

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 10:24 AM

List of interested parties;

ianv5
Megaboost
hoops82
uxter
dodge40
owenRW

Some from project puma, some from puma people. If I have duplicated you, please let me know.

The way things are looking, it will possibly be early March before I get to find out more about these; my current plan is not to use my local bodyshop, but rather use another chap near to my parents workshop, just had a rear bumper for the Honda painted there, and have generally only heard good things about him.

If this delay causes anyone a problem, then I am sorry, but to be honest this sort of repair is generally best left until the weather warms up a bit anyway.
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 11:06 PM

Ok, took some pics of the actual repair panels, and offered them up to the car.

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They are essentially a piece of steel sheet, with the curved edge rolled around. There are full instructions on what needs doing to them to fit, but I haven't translated them from German yet.

With the exception of the first inch or so from the bumper, they seem to follow the curve of the puma's rear arch quite nicely, however these panels are flat, and the side of the puma isn't, so some degree of skill will be required to make them fit, and not look crap. This is probably true of any repair panel though, especially where, like on the Puma, there isn't a pronounced arch shape.

If anyone has any more questions, I will do my best to answer.
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:05 PM

View PostFlashBastd, on 31 January 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Ok, took some pics of the actual repair panels, and offered them up to the car.









They are essentially a piece of steel sheet, with the curved edge rolled around. There are full instructions on what needs doing to them to fit, but I haven't translated them from German yet.

With the exception of the first inch or so from the bumper, they seem to follow the curve of the puma's rear arch quite nicely, however these panels are flat, and the side of the puma isn't, so some degree of skill will be required to make them fit, and not look crap. This is probably true of any repair panel though, especially where, like on the Puma, there isn't a pronounced arch shape.

If anyone has any more questions, I will do my best to answer.


Does this curved edge roll around mean that you can cut out the current curved edge lip on the original arch?
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:44 PM

Yes
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 11:03 PM

well seems like this may be the best option there is availible to date. I think cutting the original curved edge from the arches out is definitely a must.

When arches get cut out the bit they don't cut out is the original curved edge lip I think thats partly the reason why rust comes back. I don't know why they just can't cut it out and replace the lip

Not sure this will definitely cure it but will last longer. Probably.


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Posted 11 February 2010 - 09:55 PM

Showed these panels to my local body repair man today, he was impressed with the quality of the panel, would have been better if is was better shaped, i.e. curved, but that shouldn't be a huge problem to make it fit.

Hoping to get it booked in some time in March, but all looks good so far.
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 09:58 PM

which one did you go for the 70 euro one or the 80 euro one and whats the difference?

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 10:23 PM

10 Euros! ;)


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Posted 12 February 2010 - 06:58 AM

Yes,

Lets keep this thread on topic though.
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:28 AM

a question was asked and I answered it - accurately!


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Posted 12 February 2010 - 01:32 PM

you will have to let us know which body shop you use for the repairs....alo the total costs involved inc respray of repair area......I see you are in / from west yorks....how long does it take to do the repair....I'm in west cumbria, my local body shop quoted me approx £450 to sort out back drivers side wheel arch....getting worse by the week now !!
would it bo worth coming down to yorkshire for a day or so, and getting it sorted thee ???
interested to follow this one also.
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 05:01 AM

The more expensive repair panels are stainless steel, the cheaper items are mild steel. I went for mild steel.

The body guy I am using said he would usually charge £300 for a rear arch, however given that he has already had three goes at this one, he is doing it a bit cheaper. In return, I will supply the car with the rear interior removed.
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 05:12 AM

I would have thought, depending on the quality( how much chrome is in it) the stainless ones could be difficult to get the paint to stick to.

Unless they sort of use an isolating paint like they do with plastics
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 04:34 PM

I was just thinking would there be bonding differences between the two materials and the original body works for both paint but also welding.
Regarding beating into shape, would the mild steel one actually be more maulable to fit the existing panel.
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Posted 13 February 2010 - 05:05 PM

Like Kate says, the stainless ones is going to be horrible to work with, plus what welding wire are you going to use to bond stainless to mild steel?
If I was arc welding, it would be a eutectic welding rods for dissimilar metals.
But for the MIG?
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